Julie Roys lives for her anti gospel, anti authority, man hating bias - even partnering with shock jocks like Mancow Muller or worse. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. No, it wasnt edited. Dan George served as an elder at Harvest Bible Chapel over a period of 10 years, actively serving on the elder board from 2010 through 2015, and rejoining the board in late 2018. So what happened? She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. How much do you make? Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. She declined. And everybody had to say, right? They said no, for various reasons. If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of God, and Proverbs, etc. Julie Roys knows she published many false statements about me, false statements now proven such in a court of law, yet she has retracted nothing. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. . Just look at King David . Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. At least some did. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. None of my sources said it was wrong. Jennifer There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. Theres no joy in doing this. His employment is coming to an end. MacDonald notes in the email that about a month after the settlement, he was able to write to recipients of the email. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. It wasnt an argument. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. . If you find yourself unaware of And, and the drama begins. Okay. ARC is one of the largest church planting organizations in North America. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. He also advertised an upcoming GrampCampan overnight retreat providing training and tools for grandparents to connect with their grandkids. And again, Im going from memory, but also from what Ron Duitsman recently said. But would he have been able to save face do you think? I mean just absolutely devastating stories and, and feeling the pain. He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Instead of focusing on who is stronger and who is weaker, why dont we focus on how both of us can be strong for the kingdom and live out the calling that God has given to each of us individually and as a couple?, Visconti also posted recently on his Instagram story that abuse is not a biblical justification for divorce. (Proverbs 27:12). The ministry is growing, we should expect to be attacked. He says, Well, for when I kept silent my bones wasted through my groaning all day long for day and night, your hand was heavy upon me. There was just enough false doctrine so that it was swallowed up with the truth. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. . Is that how it went down? And I hadnt I hadnt signed that yet, I hadnt given a statement yet. We did not hurry. And Stetzer is a huge, huge part of the crooked machine. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. To donate, Lead Pastor and Exec Team of ARC Megachurch Resign Amid Allegations of Bullying and Financial Misconduct, EXCLUSIVE: Dozens Say ARC Megachurch Pastor Bullied and Shamed Staff, Volunteers, James MacDonald Preaching at ARC Megachurch in Arizona, Why Businessman Peter Chung Matters for the Future of The Kings College. And we got to a Saturday meeting then on the ninth. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. Not long ago, I noticed that James MacDonald is still latched onto evangelical watchdog blogger Julie Roys as his number-one. There was a push for him to be able to resign, and to negotiate on several points that we now know what have you know, let him walk away with millions of dollars. James MacDonald, who was recently fired as senior pastor at Harvest Bible Chapel, is now facing an allegation of sexual misconduct by the church's former worship leader. I see that as just simply implicating a larger group and a conspiracy to use church money for stuff that was never intended. to Rick Donald. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. . Very interesting discussion. And learn how MacDonald almost escaped being exposedand how six scathing letters that revealed MacDonalds true nature almost failed to reach the elder board. There would be no Roys Report without Judson University. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? After you guys. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. And it was just a deep sadness, deep sadness. Im Julie Roys. I agree. Think of the godly ones youve known and thank God for them. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. Thats what the weight was. Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. 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And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. And I know I totally get what youre talking about. And the pain is overwhelming. Julie Roys is a veteran investigative reporter and founder of The Roys Report. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. James MacDonald and His Earlier Attacks on Julie Roys. What Happens Now? Thank you. #JRgossipslut #JRcancerinChristsbody. I mean, again, it was a meeting into the wee hours of the night, early morning. Great! And that was a big question. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . Yeah. Its loving to give medicine to a sick patient, and its loving to speak the truth to a deceived person.. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a "pattern of sinful behavior," James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch in Mesa, Arizona. The G in freemasonry stands for generation. Why would anyone who follows Jesus Christ care what Generation Church thinks about anything? Following allegations of years-long bullying and financial misconduct, the lead pastor and executive team of an Association of Related Churches (ARC) megachurch, Everyone was laughing and goading, like it was a jokeuntil it wasnt. It was really it was a painful meeting, it was a was an eye opening meeting as well though. Can you say what was in that letter? No, Julie Roys did not open the hood on James MacDonald, although she in her own hubris would like her audience to think that. And if he doesnt, what does that mean in terms of employment at Harvest Bible Chapel? Wow! It just seems that the church of the USA is a joke. When I did, I told her letters were coming in, would she consider writing it. You can review it. Ill tell you one thing, Julie. Again, thanks so much for joining me today. It is not an ecclesiastical remedy at least not any longer. And thats got to be a heavy. And I have, you know, probably probably six weeks later, less than, probably four weeks later or something I I apologized for signing that. Sin has real consequences and sometimes those consequences are permanent. And whats so tough in this whole thing is that there are wolves among the sheep. And I got it. But its also an important podcast, because as you may know, James McDonald is aggressively trying to rewrite history and relaunch his ministry. Yes, it is. . In 2018, Roys' journalism exposed the now-former senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) James MacDonald for his aggressive leadership style and abuse of the church's finances. Can you share what was in it? So Rick was, in effect, the Assistant senior pastor. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. The fruit which was souls coming to Christ was enormous. . The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Wives submit to your husbands. Thank you. But he said when he and Scott Phelps and Barry Slebaugh went into a meeting with James in the summer of 2012, asking for, whats your salary James? It was demonic. . Opinion: What is Revivaland is it Happening at Asbury? Rather, its helping those in bondage find freedom. 2. He was the second longest tenured pastor at Harvest. That way youll never miss an episode. And the things that were done to them after they left. I also dont believe girls (or boys) have to like certain colors or behave and dress in certain ways to be real girls/boys. I payed for you and James. And I gotta tell you, the people of Harvest, the people who were there before, the people who were still there, were so forgiving. Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support And youre going to hear all about what happened in those meetings and the strong arm tactics that McDonald used to try and get his way. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. (Julie Roys) Eight years ago, prominent author and pastor, John MacArthur, strongly warned the Moody Bible Institute about its association with now-disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet.. This is the passage. . And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. If hes ok with lying it places doubt on the gospel. No one takes joy in doing this. How can a husband love his wife as Christ loved the church when he is emotionally, mentally, physically, and sexually abusive? Other posts decried abortion, transgenderism, and Christians who are apolitical or nice.. We all need to do it together, etc, etc. Hi. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. Imagine such a thing. Jesus help us. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. And Im just grateful that finally, the board, open their eyes. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. Thats about my attitude lately. I at least heard of it from somebody by that point. And that reminded me of something that Dan Marquardt told me. And I stopped my car. The leaders were brought together. Yes, I agree. This was months months later. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? Thats a Tuesday night. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. I asked Sandy Song to potentially write a letter. Well, youre welcome. So lets move on to these letters. Then pray for all of us. Hear the dramatic and sovereignly orchestrated story of how MacDonalds actions finally came to light at Harvest. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? Just saying a lot of vile things. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. MacDonald adds, Of the more than 4000 Change Partners once faithfully supporting our efforts monthly, there are now about 150the remnant from which we seek to rebuild. He then invites people to send him gifts. She also previously hosted a national talk show on the Moody Radio Network, called Up for Debate, and has worked as a TV reporter for a CBS affiliate. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. You are Julie. Again, Dan was one of the elders who confronted James back in 2012, and then got excommunicated from Harvest. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him and his wife with James MacDonald and his wife. I remember saying to the larger board, Guys, it is the grace of God that we have these letters. And, again, this is five days after I published my expose of Harvest and World Magazine. Hes talking about James McDonald, but not calling him out by name. Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. And I was still on the board. But for us not to act would be unbelief. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. So Im deeply grateful for their faithful support. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. And then he apologized. And I thought, well, I got to read the letter. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Its phrased to make you feel morally superior. It does. He would probably be wildly successful. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? And were like, boy, I hate to say this, but that just felt demonic. He has always been a total its all about me. And I said, Listen, I get it. Well, and I remember, I remember this whole thing, because Im getting bits and pieces from different sources about whats going on and whats happening. Pastor James MacDonald. And at the end of the night, we looked around the room, we had talked through it. Im sorry, before a so called board.removes a man of God they must first consider the fruit of his ministry. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. So the topic of you know, among other things, the topic of the meeting that night on the agenda was to go through the letters to look at the charges and to walk through it and decide, does he meet the qualifications of an elder? Bank Dismisses Foreclosure on James MacDonald's Estate After Settlement with Harvest. That was positioned as an attack from the start. Very sad situation for James and the elders as well. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. I said, Sandy, Im so sorry, for what happened on my watch. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. Not all he said was false because then it would have been obvious to any discerning Christian. It was the elders failure. Ive looked back at that email thread, Ron Duitsman who was the elder board chairman, resigned that day. Ugh. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. I think, how is it that we had the word of God sitting in front of us, which is pretty clear about what to do. However, an email that I got, that Duitsman had sent out and then it was leaked to me, said that what Duitsman was upset about was the fact that the elders were admitting that they had failed. A strong woman with a weak husband will become a toxic woman. Am I characterizing that correctly? And Dean Butters letter came in that way as well. That this wasnt just James failure. And this was a spiritual battle. Who were all shameless self promoters. My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. And you couldnt be accused of disseminating them to the larger public. To donate, click here. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? I talked to other people who told me of demands that he made for private jets on numerous occasions. Just finished my post on clarifiers that will precede the deception lists. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. That didnt happen. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. I really am so very sick of these self-righteous, insensitive, insulting church leaders who think they are the only ones who have a hardwire connection to God preaching on the subject of wives submit to your husbands while they leave out the husbands responsibility to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. Well, Dan, like I said, on an earlier podcast that I had with Mancow Muller, I was hoping to be done with James McDonald and reporting on Harvest months ago. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Welcome to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Should expect to be, you know, hes not repentant many elders were not any! In June, Visconti also posted a picture of him james macdonald julie roys his wife with MacDonald... 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