If it did, when Inquisitors are made, the spike would have killed them before it gained a Hemalurgic charge. Shes also written one novel and is working on several more. He once used them in his fight with a Steel Inquisitor, so the metals acted like they were alive, twitching and flying through the air to cut and distract the Steel Inquisitor. . Theres always another secret, but well have answers to some as of November 15th! Dick was so focused on the rhythm of movement and moving toward the name, he almost missed the quiet sound of a cloak fluttering behind him. Waxillium Ladrian was a direct descendant of a close associate of Kelsier, Edgard Ladrian. Please help The Coppermind by, Kelsier really wasn't kidding when he said that. The spike is not coming with you when your Cognitive separates from the body. We do it because we want to. Kelsier offered to let her to join his crew. I dunno what the point of spiking him would be. Repeating myself over and over because Im misunderstood gets annoyingreal quick, so I wanna make sure Im clear with what I say. Gave Entrone: An amateur archeologist who insulted Steris at a party. [8] Despite Preservation not usually being able to speak into the minds of other, due to some combination of Spook being near death, having a broken soul, and believing Kelsier was a god, he was able to talk to Spook. Donald Mustard, de facto head of Fortnite, is real life friends with Brandon Sanderson, and approached him about getting characters from his books into the game. Marasi previously studied law and had a bit of a crush on Wax, but shes since moved on. Id make a world where owers returned, a world with green plants, a world where no soot fell from the sky. Kelsier was central to it all. His late wife Mare collected pre-Ascension memorabilia, and he keeps one piece, a drawing of a flower,[7] to inspire his crew. If it did, the Koloss who died wouldn't have reverted to Humans when Kelsier saw them die. [46], During his journey to find the Ire, he runs into Ruin and has a discussion about Ruin's intent. He infiltrated the Steel Inquisitors, and is one of the few remaining characters from the original trilogy who is alive. He also appears to be the only remaining Mistborn thanks to Hemalurgy. You seem to want to shut down theories that are too complex for you to understand. They went to the hideout themselves just in time to save Vin from Camon. , Marsh is Kelsiers older brother. He is credited as the first to ever escape the death camp, and from henceforth he was titled the Survivor of Hathsin. In no way was it suggested that TLR was the one gaining the Hemalurgic power. I dont mean to sound aggravated or anything. Batman, the most legendary mistborn himself. Wax, Wayne, and Marasi work together to take down Miles Hundredlives, a compound bloodmaker who has been kidnapping women and stealing aluminum for a shadowy organization called The Set. At the end of the book, the kidnapped women are still missing, Miles is executed, and Wax discovers that his uncle Edwarn, whod been presumed dead, is actually alive and a member of the Set. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. The reason he would fit well as an Edgedancer is mainly because of what he picked up from Mare regarding restoring the world to the time of flowers and greenery. Kelsier is a former thief from the capital city of Luthadel. [22][23] Perhaps as a result of his egotism and arrogance, several of his plans involve setting himself up as a powerful, mysterious, or even divine figure. After further reading and realisation that there is more to this, I think it's safe to say that he's pretty obsessive. [42] Despite being mostly cordial with Kelsier, he does hate him to an extent due to how he manipulated peoples faiths during his life, playing with their hearts and treating their faith casually. [36] There he spent his time believing that his wife Mare had betrayed him to the Lord Ruler until he witnessed his wife being beaten to death by guards after she gifted her Atium bead to him. A discussion means you have twosides, and you literally just asked one side to leave and move along.. We want to discuss this theory. [31] He lost these abilities in death and has not recovered them.[22]. Then Yeden would gain control of the city and the crew would receive the Lord Ruler's atium stash as payment. See the original version. She agrees to join the crew in exchange for Kelsier's training. The book was first published in July 17th 2006 and the latest edition of the book was published in July 31st 2007 which eliminates all the known issues and printing errors. Mistborn (Series) Personality Type: ENTP - 8w7 - so/sx - 873 - EIE - SCOEI - Sanguine-Choleric - EF (N) One of the most legendary men known to the Skaa. He justifies his behavior as faithfulness to the Survivor of Hathsin, since Kelsier himself had been known to express outright hatred for the nobility. Though, in my opinion, I dunno if Ruin would try to forcethe Lord Ruler to kill Kelsier. He also has medallions which grant him Allomantic abilities. It is used to fuel Southern Scadrian Allomantic technology, including their airships, which run via Steelpushing. In Bands of Mourning, we were introduced to the Malwish, a culture from Southern Scadrial. (Like Wax, and Wayne, and okay, those are the only remaining Ws, but isnt alliteration fun?). The Set was not after the Bands of Mourning as originally believed, but rather the airship and bombs located within the temple. Kelsier's martyrdom and seeming resurrection spawns a new religion, the Church of the Survivor, which venerates Kelsier's teachings. Prior to one of the executions, Kelsier attacks the carriages transporting the victims and frees them, killing a Steel Inquisitor in the process. He is a half-blood skaa with a father from the noble class. [57] His bones survived the Ascension of Harmony,[58] and may have helped him regain physical form.[59]. Kelsier's own role takes advantage of his Mistborn training, allowing him to assassinate nobles, cause disruptions in the Great Houses and eventually ignite a house war that would tear Luthadel apart from within. if TLR was spiked? HE CANT BE HEMALURGICALLY SPIKED IF THE METAL ISNT TOUCHING HIS INSIDES. [20] He is arrogant and very driven which, combined with his power, makes him incredibly dangerous;[21] he is willing to go extremely far to achieve his goalsfor example, he would be willing to use Hemalurgy on a large scale to create powerful Allomancers if ultimately necessary to protect Scadrial from other forces in the cosmerethough is not quite as utilitarian as Taravangian. He was the one who organized, the one who took all of the wild brainstorming and turned it into a viable operation. Kelsier and his brother Marsh were the sons of a nobleman father and a skaa mother. At the end of TheBands of Mourning, we learn that aside from the Survivorists, there is also a whole civilization of people far to the south of Elendel that worships Kelsier, calling him the Sovereign. No, Kelsier was not fond of Marsh. I am not yours. While there he meets Ati and Hoid, as well as regularly talking with Leras, whom he believes to be God. Kelsier had traveled there several years after the Catacendre, inhabiting a physical body that was spiked in the right eye, and found the Southern Scadrians slowly dying of an unexplained coldness. MellowKween 21 days ago Hmm well like I said, he's never really gone. While conversing with Harmony regarding the case, Harmony said that Wax's casual way of talking to him reminded him of Kelsier. A bit obsessive, a bit anxious, and a whole lot amazing, Steris uses her neurodivergencies to her (and Waxs) advantage by plotting out every eventuality and creating detailed plans to deal with any situation. And the book clearly had the rebels shove 2 spears right through his body. [29] Had his life gone differently, he could have been an outright evil person and, outside the context of the Final Empire, would likely be a villain. The Lord Ruler openly thanked Mare for helping his forces find the thieves, and from this, Kelsier was led to the false conclusion that Mare had purposefully betrayed him. Is Trell the true Big Bad of Era 2? Protecting you.Giving you power!, When Leras died and Ruin began to Splinter the Shard of Preservation, Kelsier used the Ire's orb to Connect with Preservation and Ascend, allowing him to protect the power and hold it until Vin could take it. The most notable of these is the rebel group governing Urteau,led by a man known as the Citizen. Started by It's not a sad death. They were extremely successful. "Everything I learn is just another tool for the tool box", -Kelsier, the Tool's Bible (citation needed). Although Vin assumes him to have only trained partially using each metal, Kelsier is extremely skilled at Steelpushing and Ironpulling, a skill he demonstrates when he defeats and kills the Steel Inquisitor Bendal. The vision, seen from Kelsier's point of view, showed that his spiked right eye viewed the world through Allomantic lines, similar to Steel Inquisitors, while his left eye saw things normally.[34]. After removing her second spike and adding one of Trellium, she went mad and began working with the Set, and was defeated. Maybe Im just not saying it in a way that can be understood. [2] Kelsier later reveals in his letter to Vin that he had intended to use the Eleventh Metal to destroy the Lord Ruler but could not discover how to use it in his fight. It is relevant because it has spawned 23 posts and created an interesting discussion. And you kind of responded with a lot of hate there. Immediately after his death, Kelsier arrived in the Cognitive Realm. Now we are two Books deep into the Second Era and maybe i need to re-read them with more cosmere awareness but i cant remember any hints of a Cognitiv/Cosmereaware Kelsier . Gemmel is Kelsier's mentor in the allomantic arts, meeting each other after Kelsier escaped from his captivity in Hathsin. [43], Hoid greatly disapproves of Kelsier's interference with Roshar through the Ghostbloods. [20] He nicknamed him Fuzz, due to his unraveled appearance. [75] Nothing elsehappened in that square that really advanced his plans much. (Remember how I mentioned all those spoilers? Kelsier's estranged brother Marsh also joins, hoping to realize his own dream of a successful Skaa Rebellion despite his disapproval of Kelsier's methods and leaving the rebellion when he had learned Kelsier and Mare had been captured. [6], Dockson told Kelsier about a young Allomancer girl Marsh had discovered whom he suspected was a Mistborn. And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, so is it possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike? TLR is like the sacrifices, while Kelsier is like the Inquisitor. It is presumed that this is the Sovereign of the Southerners, who saved their people, declared himself ruler, and reorganized the social hierarchy. For more details, see our spoiler policy. The hearts of men are NOT YOUR TOYS. Taken in congruence with the events of Secret History, this man appears to be Kelsier. Kelsier is deified and continues to be venerated more and more by the skaa as the Church of the Survivor gains popularity. Kelsier held Preservation for a short time but was bad at using it because he was a Cognitive Shadow at the time and did not match well with Preservation's Intent. Please clarify. After Kelsier died, when Vin fought the Lord Ruler, Marsh killed the other Steel Inquisitors in Luthadel and saved Vin's life. Itd be interesting if he actually HAD been spiked by the spears. [19] After she and Elend are killed, Kelsier spoke with them before they moved on to the Beyond. It reacts explosively to water. With the garrison gone and the nobility weakened by the war, the rest of the army then could take over Luthadel. He didnt say anything rude. Sure, maybe it would be active for a split second when touching blood or whatever like you said,but as soon as the head passes out of his body on the other side, it wouldnt affect him anymore. I decided that Id see [Mare's] dream fullled. Community Software by Invision Power Services, Inc. On 8/3/2018 at 9:16 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said: On 8/2/2018 at 3:22 PM, TheManKnownAsHoid said. The spear head doesnt have to leave the body. Think of this article as one of those Last time on recaps at the beginning of a television show. While he is incapable of leaving Scadrial in person, he uses an "avatar" to visit the Ghostbloods on Roshar. I worried about doing this, actually, since it seemed a little too expected. Shes the bastard half-sister of Steris. His most prominent trademark is the multitude of long scars running down his arms, a memento of time spent in the Pits of Hathsin. A mystery, to be sure. His healing heals his spiritweb, so it's theoretically possible to use him as an infinite source of spikes.. Of course, the WoB about it just says that spiking Hoid would work very weirdly. The Lord Ruler is pierced through the chest with a spear, basically a long spike, then uses that spear to stab Kelsier. The two of them have a strained relationship. [13], Kelsier is a psychopath,[14] or at least has some psychopathic tendencies. He wasn't Kelsier, and he didn't need to be but it was hard to believe so when people kept reminding him of how different Kelsier would have . [54] Secretly, however, he knew that Ruin would send Marsh to intercept the message, and was hoping that reading the message would give Marsh the information he needed to remove Vin's earring, which was also a Hemalurgic spike that was keeping her from taking up Preservation's power. [38] Outside the city, they saw a Mistwraith. TLR was being spiked by the rebels and then into Kelsier. [11] He hates all of the nobility and tends to believe that all of them are to blame for the plight of the skaa, although near the end of his life this attitude changes due to Vin's insistence that Elend is different and that not all the nobles should be fought, although his views did not fully change, and he retained his prejudice and distrust. Marasi and MeLaan rescue him, and he assists them on their quest to find the Bands of Mourning. [65] As a Pathian, Wax did not worship Kelsier, but his life has nonetheless been drastically affected by the Survivor. He was dead anyways. ifKelsier was spiked? Sixteen months later, when Kelsier was unable to get his weekly atium geode, Mare gave Kelsier hers, claiming that she had found two that week. Thus was born a sense of resentment for the nobility in both children, which resulted in Marsh becoming the leader of the Skaa Rebellion and Kelsier became a crewleader for a gang of Misting thieves, stealing from the noble families. One of Kelsier's defining characteristics is his infallible optimism, even in the face of disastrous situations. In conjunction with Southern Scadrian technology, ettmetal can reproduce Allomantic or Feruchemical powers within its vicinity. A women by the codename of Codenames Are Stupid, opens communication with the leader of the Ghostbloods by the means of a seon, which shows Kelsier on an airship travelling to Elendel. I had a similar reaction to theend of Lev Grossmans The Magicians. He finds Vin and Ham near the steps of Keep Venture and also learned that Dockson had died in the Battle of Luthadel. When Marasi Colms discovers an agent of the Ghostbloods, Moonlight, she manages to convince her to take Marasi to a warehouse in Bilming to aid in the fight against the Set. It depends on whether or not the head of the spear was in him, or poking out the other side without touching him. The "Survivor's Statemark" is one of the symbols of the faith. You cant discuss a theory with only the people who agree with it. Mister Suit had been captured and possibly killed, but Lady Sequence (Telsin) had escaped, and there are rumblings of more devious plots afoot something to do with the kandra who are working for the Set, and Trell. Most of the information in this article has been culled from The Coppermind, the definitive Sanderson knowledge base on the internet. They secure the Bands, but hand them off to the kandra for safe-keeping and broker a trade deal with the mysterious Southern Scadrians. They discover that theres a murderer on the looseand, even worse, Harmony contacts Wax directly to inform him that this murderer is a rogue kandra named Bleeder/Paalm whos gone mad. This severely angered Kelsier and crushed morale within his crew, making them feel that they wouldn't be needed now that the army had been slaughtered. OreSeur incites the skaa to rebel, beginning the revolution and the overthrow of the Final Empire. However, he is then confronted by the Lord Ruler himself. Wax thinks that he might have connections to the Set. At some point after his revival, he also became a prominent figure on Roshar known as Thaidakar, though he is still physically stuck on Scadrial.[1]. The roast is strong with this post. He helped the people there survive using his knowledge of the Metallic Arts, showing them how to make unsealed metalminds to store attributes like heat in a way that could be shared with anyone. He takes up the Shard of Preservation following Leras' death and sends a round-about message to Marsh in the hope that his brother will remove Vin's earring. Their combined effort would, in the end, result in the collapse of the Final Empire. Kelsier is a half-skaa Mistborn from Scadrial. Wayne is also a twinborn; his skills are Slider (creating speed bubbles) and Bloodmaker (he can store health in his metalminds in order to help facilitate healing). You just posted an irrelevant comment that was honestly a little hostile. It requires the physical anchor of the spike. First off, I don't mean to come off as hostile, but I am genuinely confused as to what this theory is saying. Kelsier went on to save Elend's life from an inquisitor. [50] He stayed with her for a while after that but ultimately had to leave. He offered to teach her about gold and atium, gave her the money he took from Camon, and allowed her to leave, as he didn't want to force anybody into his crew. Throughout the course of the series, weve been following the underhanded machinations of a group called the Set. In Alloy of Law, we learned that the Set (through Mister Suit, Waxs uncle) was responsible for funding the Vanishers, a group who was kidnapping female descendants of the Lord Mistborn (aka Spook). [43], He and Gavilar were working against each other to an unknown extent. Though he is killed by the Lord Ruler, he watches over Vin as a Cognitive Shadow. The skaa react to Kelsier's death by rising up and overthrowing the city with the help of Kelsier's army. Kelsier is the leader and presumed founder of the organization, which Mraize calls "the most powerful organization in all the cosmere. When that happened, after everything he and Vin went through, I was in a state of sadness for days. Kelsier, sentenced to die mining the Pits of Hathsin after attempting to rob the Lord Ruler's palace, arose as a powerful Mistborn and inspired the revolution that shook the foundations of the Final Empire. , After discovering the Eleventh Metal Kelsier started to prepare his plan by hiring the Kandra OreSeur. After Sazeds Ascension and Spooks rise to political power, Kelsier began to speak with Spook about finding a way to bring himself back to the Physical Realm. After Camon and Vin left, Kelsier realized that the ministry had already discovered that Camon was a thief and only played along to find the crew's hideout. Thankfully, a certain someone found them (see Kelsiers section below) and helped them to survive. After being betrayed by his wife Mare on a job stealing from the Lord Ruler, Kelsier is sent to the Pits of Hathsin to mine atium geodes, one of the most sought-after Allomantic metals. See below for the whole section on Kelsier and what hes been up to behind the scenes. If anything, I feel like Ruin would have tried to make the Lord Ruler take the bracers off. , When several skaa from the rebellion were about to be executed, Kelsier attempts to save them. Personally I don't think that Ruin had left a mark. There are hints throughout Era 1 that Kelsier was still around, including Sazed flat out saying that Kelsier requested Spook be made a Mistborn. People tell me I can be downright frustrating! If he were a Radiant, there are three Orders Kelsier might belong to: Edgedancer, Dustbringer, or Willshaper. As of the end of TheBands of Mourning, she is in a casual relationship with Wayne. Kelsier is a fully trained Mistborn, despite his half-noble half-skaa ancestry. In their hunt for a kandras missing spike, they travel to New Seran, then to Dulsing, then finally to the Sovereigns Temple. Here, they discover that Waxs sister Telsin is still alive and a member of the Set. "[3] Kelsier is Iyatil's master. If you enjoy queer protagonists, snarky humor, and dont mind some salty language, check out book 1. I do think that an interesting (and relevant)question that is brought up by this theory though is whether or not it is possible to spike a person without killing them. The Misborn series comes recommended by Eurogamer friend Johnny Chiodini, who describes Fortnite's latest addition thus: "Kelsier is a thief, but he's also a mistborn - a person who can consume. It is there we witness his constant desire to gain access to Lerasium and we can see the affects of the trauma inflicted upon him by the Pits of Hathsin.. [37], Ah, but being an annoyance is something that I am very good at. [14][21][27], Kelsier is a Mistborn, so he can burn every Allomantic metal, although he is particularly proficient with the external physical metals iron and steel. If you dont have time for a reread of the series before diving into the new book and need a refresher course so you can go in with your metalminds clear, were happy to help remind you of whos who, whats what, and all those other wondrous Ws! Lyndsey is a renaissance faire performer and magic wand-maker. If you dont like or understand it, again, move along. Harmony(fka Sazed): Harmony holds the shards of Ruin AND Preservation, and as such is (one of the) god(s) of Scadrial. Kelsier, famously known as the Survivor of Hathsin, is a powerful Mistborn and one of the main characters in Mistborn: The Final Empire . And we know Ruin was able to manipulatepeople, particularly unstable people like Vin's mother and Gemmel, soit possible that the rebels who stabbed the Lord Ruler were influenced by Ruin to create a Hemalurgic Spike. . TenSoon wears Kelsier's bones to glean information about Vin from Luthadel guards. Wayne once had a thing for her, but gave up on it after realizing that she has a girlfriend. (The Mistborn Saga #1) by Brandon Sanderson (Goodreads Author) 4. We dont haveto do this. The genius. All Im saying is that theres no way to definitively know whether or not the metal heads were still inside him. When Kelsier's father discovered the truth of their parentage, he had their mother executed and attempted to do the same to the brothers, who fled. And you will be ruled by them. Sure, it makes it interesting and thought provoking, but I never said it wasn't. [42] While he was in the Well, Hoid passed by and Kelsier essentially challenges him to a fight that Kelsier ultimately loses. Gemmel frequently put Kelsier into life and death situations in order to push him to learn how to use his powers. So the head was likely stopped by the ground before leaving his body. We dont really know if the rebels that stabbed TLR used enough force to get the head of the spear all the way through his body so the metal head of the spear wouldnt be touching him. Kelsier is also highly impulsive, on one occasion attempting to attack an entire army single-handed. He forced the rest of the crew to leave, only leaving Vin. Hesdead, and presumably to themgoing to the beyondanyway, so even if they spiked him with an attribute, it would just be waste. [66] This book proved vital in solving the case of Bleeder. They also have some sort of ties to. The protagonists find a temple to a man they assume is the Lord Ruler, in which is stored the allomantic and feruchemic Bands. After speaking with Vin and Elend briefly upon their deaths, he discovers from Sazed that there is a way for him to go back to life. [76], I don't want to be responsible for something happening to you, Vin. People have theorized similar about Hoid. 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