Oxford University also could also sue Ravi for making false claim to profit himself but so far they have also been kind. As we will see, most of the errors here are ambiguous and they can plausibly be interpreted in both favourable and unfavourable ways. What if it was in your interest to say that you came from the church and not from the store. Another one. Acts 17 Apologetics is a Christian YouTube channel founded by Dr. David Wood (a former atheist) and Dr. Nabeel Qureshi (a former Muslim). At RZIM we continue to mourn the loss of both Nabeel and Ravi Zacharias to cancer, and we miss their presence deeply; yet we are filled with profound hope, confident that they are finally and fully healed in the presence of our Savior. The Cambridge University website does not say that Ridley is one of its colleges and Ridley Hall’s website does not claim it either. Is this dishonest? Do they believe it makes them righteous to be quick to accuse a member of their own “tribe”? A person who is truly trying to misrepresent themselves would not lie about things that are so easily discoverable, and not just easily discoverable, but discoverable from Zacharias’s own public resources (his CV). [ii] Unfortunately, he doesn’t tell us which he learnt to speak first and which he spoke with his family. No in a different sense. I will be appealing to Christian morality and the Bible, but the rest should be accessible to non-Christians as well. (329) “Where Do Our Values Come From?” | Ravi Zacharias – YouTube. Search for: HOME; ABOUT US; REACHING OUT. All of us are shocked, saddened, and angered by the recent bad news ... pertaining to Ravi Zacharias. It will typically say “Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University” or Wycliffe Hall, a permanent private hall of Oxford University” or something like that. I believe this is shown by the fact that his church was destroyed, and people apparently made no attempt to restore him to the community after there was accountability ( 2 Corinthians 2:7). Remember the quote at the beginning of the article and consider throughout whether the “measure” applied to Zacharias is really fair. If it were just Baughman, I would not have addressed it. Ravi did not go through the pains and agony to earn the degree. Applying the benefit of the doubt, and not believing someone’s guilty based on suspicions is a good principle to apply in your own relationships. Critics take this to mean that he was claiming to be a full professor, so they are interpreting him as reporting an official title in places where he is speaking in talks or interviews. A sad note for us to end 2020 on. Carmel tribe would believe your farce that professor may mean a teacher at secondary school or someone teaching at a higher institution. To save you from further humiliation you really should quit. Does that mean that any mistake he makes that overstates or exaggerates his case against Zacharias is necessarily dishonest? In addition, the search results sometimes seem to represent Ridley Hall as part of the University of Cambridge. We’ve established that he’s speaking loosely and is using various words to refer to a teacher at a post-secondary level. This YouTube channel features a variety of content from various speakers including Ravi Zacharias to debates and short films. In lieu of flowers, the Zacharias family is requesting that gifts go to RZIM to support the ongoing efforts of the ministry. It is not punished by public opinion and social media posses, dispensing vigilante justice through invective and shunning. Be careful how you answer this question, because depending how you do, it will necessitate that you must expose all your own sins to the public and should face repercussions for them regardless of whether you’ve repented for them or not. In Driscoll’s case, either he is lying or a huge number of respected pastors and Christians are. Also, universities do not always follow their own policies. Ravi Zacharias Website Videos and Sermons Is Truth Dead? This is about setting bad precedents that will cause trouble and strife in the future, a precedent that calls evil suspicions fact and that makes little to no allowance for the faults of our leaders and each other. You have to look closely to spot the error between what I reported and what is in bold above. As we’ve pointed out already, it is not enough to prove error in order to prove dishonesty. You can see it in this blog post. Perhaps he was being dishonest too? However, a number of somewhat influential Christians in the blogosphere and social media more generally seem not merely to have accepted Baughman’s conclusions but have promoted his work (people who are more influential than Baughman himself). Would you say I was being dishonest? Also, he is speaking in an interview here. The question is whether the way he reported them is good evidence of dishonesty. Atheism, Feminism, and the Bible by Ravi Zacharias International Ministries. “I’m thinking more about the wider Christian community (those, like Acts 29, who rejected and publicly denounced him).”. This is Marxism, not Christianity. But this is not the case. Informally, you say to someone when you get home “I just came from church.” Is that dishonest? You have to show that they probably knew it was an error when they said it. “International” also may suggest the whole world, while the claim here is clearly only referring to Asia. Disregarding the system at Ridley is going to misrepresent the nature of the education. Discover channel profile, estimated earnings, video views, daily data tracking and more! When I was at university I often addressed all my instructors as “professor” even those that did not have a PhD or were not full professors, believing as I did that “professor” was anybody who taught at an institution of post-secondary education. My name and coloring are southern, but my language and accent are northern.”[iii], This seems to suggest that the language he identifies with himself is native to Northern India. Let’s look at the place where he describes it: In May of 1965, when I was nineteen, YFC held its Youth Congress in Hyderabad, historically a predominantly Muslim city, with Christian young people gather from all across India and Asia. No, clearly not. In every case of alleged dishonesty there is a good deal of truth to what is being said. “Here is an explosive admission of deceit by RZ. Register to get your user name and password and access personalized areas. Check Ravi Zacharias - Topic YouTube statistics and Real-Time subscriber count. Later you find out that I did work for Walnut and had a position there but I was on the payroll of an employment agency, so I was technically employed by the employment agency. Get Ravi Zacharias International Ministries daily viewership stats, ranking, subscribers count, and many more. His website and his Youtube channel are other sources of information about his case against Zacharias. The claim here is that people from all over Asia attended the event, not that the event was officially international in scope. All that you can claim is that he used a word with multiple meanings with the wrong meaning given the context ( at most). Jan 5, 2021 - Explore Coco's board "Christian videos", followed by 1147 people on Pinterest. By Andrea Morris. Also, to expect someone to report their qualifications with pitch perfect formal accuracy in an interview or a talk is unreasonable. YouTube channel for Ravi Zacharias International Ministries videos and other related media. He says: “I consider it fair fighting to suggest that if Christianity were true, Christians would be different.”[i]. This is false. At age 71 he remains committed to his calling to represent the gospel of Jesus Christ through historical, philosophical, and moral foundations and to defend it against objectors with grace, clarity, and coherency. His courses included guided research with Dr. Begbie, lectures from resident and visiting instructors in the Romantic writers, lectures at the University’s Divinity School from Don Cupitt, additional courses in quantum physics with Dr. John Polkinghorne, and studies in world religions with Dr. Julius Lipner and others.”. He does lecture with that credential in an academic forum. [viii] I will assume that Baughman’s investigation and correspondence is accurate regarding this. Let’s first consider an RZIM response to this issue, which was made public by Steve Baughman. In other words, it is connected to the Cambridge University website home in the same way that Oxford colleges’ websites are connected to the Oxford University website home. The types of mistakes that are required to explain the cases of alleged dishonesty aren’t grammatical or vocabulary mistakes, but mistakes in idiom, ways in which native English speakers refer to things. The letter also quotes Professor Jeremy Begbie confirming what Zacharias studied: “I can confirm that Ravi Zacharias was a visiting scholar at Ridley Hall Cambridge in 1990, under my supervision. You should get out of the apologetics since evidently you are not qualified. ( Log Out /  This week on Let My People Think, RZIM’s Founder, the late Ravi Zacharias, discusses the existence of God. What I wrote above is absolutely correct, otherwise Ravi would not have issued an apology for his bogus claim of Oxford and Cambridge. A recent profile of an episcopal priest who studied at Ridley Hall, said that he took a program at “Ridley Hall, Cambridge University.” The same is true for all the degree programs at Ridley Hall. The location was his Lexus SUV. At RZIM we continue to mourn the loss of both Nabeel and Ravi Zacharias to cancer, and we miss their presence deeply; yet we are filled with profound hope, confident that they are finally and fully healed in the presence of our Savior. You might say that if it is something about yourself ( such as your professional history) is inaccurate, then you must be dishonest. A huge fan. I imagine that’s why he’s persona non grata with them. In addition, all the student handbooks after the 2014/15 handbook do not describe the permanent private halls’ relationship to the University in that way. You would like people to give you the benefit of the doubt when the mistakes you make come to light, and not to assume you did it with some malicious or sinister motive, and so you must do the same. 6:41. The memorial service will air at 11:00 am Eastern on Friday, May 29 on the CBN News Channel, which is available on this website, the CBN News YouTube channel and CBN News APP. What does that tell you about his honesty, and his character? Ravi Zacharias - Ravi Zacharias International Ministries rightnowmedia.org. Baughman has an email from Wycliffe confirming this fact and Warren Throckmorton produces this email on his blog. So this is not a lie, because his statement here that he was a “professor” is not even incorrect. So the only way you can claim that he was dishonest here is if you claim that Zacharias was trying to represent himself as having an academic PhD ( and not an honorary one). article From This Month. This is especially the case if they did take University of Cambridge courses through Ridley Hall as was confirmed by RZIM and Begbie. I’ve seen precious little from Driscoll. We frequently misremember things about ourselves, especially small details about things that happened long ago. The mention of Driscoll wasn’t meant to indicate that he did nothing wrong, but that he was treated wrongly ( in a way consistent with secular outrage culture, not biblical accountability). Most significantly for our purposes, he reports struggling with English when he first came to Canada, because people couldn’t understand him: “I also got quite frustrated because my English was difficult for some people to understand. Randal Rauser, who is a fairly influential Christian apologist and theologian, published an interview with Baughman on his website about Zacharias. According to the email we have from Wycliffe to Steve Baughman referenced earlier, the position that Zacharias had really was with Wycliffe and it wasn’t ( or wasn’t just) with the OCCA. We also need to avoid the idea that “wherever there’s smoke there’s fire” which amounts to the claim that whenever someone is accused of wrong things, you must assume they are guilty or that they deserve it in some way. One of the definitions of “department” is “an area of expertise or responsibility.”. Also, it is very often that we speak and write about things that are relevant to us in some way. Why do they not give the benefit of the doubt as they presumably would want others to do to them? It is uncontroversial that Zacharias was a visiting scholar at Ridley Hall, Cambridge which is a theological college with an affiliation to the University of Cambridge. Also, if Zacharias were trying to present himself as having a degree from the University of Cambridge, as “Cambridge educated” might lead one to believe, he would have detailed this as part of his CV and other materials, and would have explicitly made the claim to a degree. Reach your people beyond Sundays. The point is that if it’s unclear, the University administration can change their minds at the drop of a hat without needing to face issues. Ravi Zacharias: It’s interesting that you began, by saying that, as an atheist, all of this has been disproved, and so you live with scientific materialism as your world view. ⁣ .⁣ Watch and share Pastor @louiegiglio’s conversation with @lecrae + @dantcathy via YouTube until noon on 6/14. Discover daily channel statistics, earnings, subscriber attribute, relevant YouTubers and videos. Baughman contends that Zacharias said that he was a “Senior Research Fellow at Oxford University” and in an old bio that he was “a Visiting Professor at Wycliffe Hall, Oxford University in Oxford, England.”. Former White House counsel, Chuck Colson, called him “the great apologist of our time.” Mr. Zacharias maintains a busy travel schedule lecturing all over the world. So, there is enough doubt here for me ( and for you) to justify giving the benefit of the doubt and not to assume that Zacharias is guilty of dishonesty. Watch videos produced by Ravi Zacharias and RZIM's team of speakers and writers (or filter the videos by selecting specific topics). So is Zacharias’s claims true or not, taking into account the fact that he seemed to use “professor”, “lecturer” and “teaching fellow” interchangeably? So how independent or how connected do the colleges and the PPHs need to be in order to qualify as “part” of the University or not? He has impacted me in countless ways, and thus, he has impacted my family. Enter into your rest.”. That seems largely arbitrary. Would Baughman and Stackhouse accuse me of dishonesty if I said that “one of my professors” at a university said this and that, and it is subsequently discovered that this instructor is not a full professor and does not even have a PhD? Ravi Zacharias has claimed for many years that he was a “visiting scholar at Cambridge University.” He presents this claim prominently in his press bios and in his memoirs. ( Log Out /  But not only this, everywhere apart of the 2014/15 student handbook, including Wycliffe Hall’s website, Oxford University’s website section on the Colleges, the Church of England report just considered, and the press, always seem to present Wycliffe as part of Oxford University. I know Ravi is at rest with Jesus. If we don’t know whether PPHs are part of Oxford, we by implication do not know what relationship the people in the PPHs have with the University. Freeview Channel 65 // Sky Channel 582 You need to have more than a discrepancy in order to prove dishonesty. (However, Baughman has more recently made the allegation that he reported a BA at the University of New Delhi, but actually dropped out after one year. Also, many prominent pastors publicly called out Driscoll from their firsthand experiences with him. When particular phrases are taken to have particular meanings, this can often be missed. He also wrote about it in his autobiography From East to West. If we were responsible for every single thing our actions caused, every causal train set off by our actions, our responsibility would never end. The ministry of the late Ravi Zacharias, RZIM, released a statement saying that the allegations about his misconduct were in fact true. That is one of the definitions of “professor”, especially in more informal contexts. I know he hasn’t convinced me. I’m not sure why, if Ridley Hall is not capable of matriculating students, it is referred to as an “independent theological college”. Ravi Zacharias International Ministries YouTube Channel Analysis & Subscriber Growth Statistics. However, as we’ve seen, Jeremy Begbie, under whose supervision Zacharias was a visiting scholar at Ridley Hall, confirms that he did take courses with John Polkinghorne in quantum physics. Thank you for this well thought out and honest assessment. It is natural to use short hand references. The University of Oxford does seem to explicitly represent the permanent private halls (of which Wycliffe is one) as Oxford Colleges in the “Colleges” section of their website and includes them in the A-Z directory of Oxford Colleges. No. Even if they claim that he did not use “professor” word here rightly, it is still very weak evidence of dishonesty. Baughman confirms that Zacharias was an Honorary Senior Teaching Fellow at Wycliffe Hall. As far as I know, he never apologized for excommunicating Paul Petry and Bent Meyer, and ordering that his followers shun them. The claim about Oxford is not referring to his studies in Ridley Hall, Cambridge ( which we will look at later), but to his position at Wycliffe Hall. You just mean that there were people from different countries. The fact that it is/was easy to check gives evidence that these are not cases of dishonesty and the fact that they can be checked against his own resources is evidence against the claim that it was even misrepresentation, never mind dishonesty. “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” John 5:17 While I’ve heard him speak on Youtube clips a couple of times and have liked what I heard, I haven’t really followed his work. Should we judge him then by what is claimed in a student handbook that he probably didn’t read or see, or should we judge him by the countless instances where Wycliffe is represented as part of Oxford University, on official websites and the press, including on Wycliffe own website and materials? Making mistakes like these are not unusual. “Additionally, while he was registered at Ridley Hall, which was at that time affiliated with Cambridge University, all of Ravi Zacharias’s courses were at the Cambridge University colleges and with University professors, under the supervision of Jeremy Begbie. An affiliated institution would govern itself and would not be overseen by its affiliated institutions. “For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.”. For them, that’s the unpardonable sin. If it were just Baughman, I would not have addressed it. Ravi Zacharias Distinctive in its strong evangelistic and apologetic foundation, the ministry of Ravi Zacharias International Ministries is intended to touch the heart and intellect of viewers. See more ideas about christian videos, christian, ravi zacharias. Surely, it must be false first because it can be lie? Not too long ago, RZIM released a statement saying that it looks like allegations of sexual misconduct against Ravi Zacharias are true. Well, as far as I can tell, Acts 29 is just another evangelical money-making outfit. This claim seems quite trivial, saying that there were other Asians, besides Indians, at the conference. In Oxford you have to have attained that final rank for that term professor to apply to you.Those who have rank at less than full professor are given other titles. Before going home, you stopped at a store. Again, the case for dishonesty here is weak. That is biblical. They have not applied a just measure. “To my friend, my mentor and a great hero of the faith [Ravi Zacharias] — Thank you,” Tim Tebow wrote. After all, they were perfectly happy to put up with Driscoll’s unabashed bullying, misogyny and dishonesty — until association with him started hurting their bottom line. This is important, because when trying to prove dishonesty, it is not enough to show that someone has made an error or said something false. Ravi Zacharias was laid to rest on Thursday, May 21, in a private ceremony in Georgia. It begins at 11:00am eastern time and the easiest way you can watch is via the CBN News YouTube channel: Zacharias was there in 1990, which means that about two and a half decades had passed before Baughman started contacting them to verify Zacharias’s stay there. Christianity Today and The Christian Post have also reported on Baughman’s claims. Similarly, Warren Throckmorton says that Zacharias did spend time at Wycliffe Hall “a ministry preparation school which has an affiliation with Oxford”, seeming to imply that it is not really part of Oxford but only affiliated. I won’t go further about the books because some people in RZIM will know who I am right away. In his autobiography, Zacharias says the following: “My professor in quantum physics was Dr. John Polkinghorne, a latecomer to Christ, who provided me with some powerful ammunition for my ministry in the years to come.” ( p. 205). Watch Queue Queue. As I’ve already said, I don’t think it is even an error. This is not implausible at all when you consider that he still struggled somewhat with English, and making himself comprehensible to native Canadians, when he was already an adult (19 -20). I’ve highlighted the relevant text here: The claim on Baughman’s website may suggest that Oxford University is only made of up of colleges. Also, Baughman confirms that Zacharias did hold a credential called “Chair of Evangelism and Contemporary Thought at Alliance Theological Seminary” though he says it was “non-academic” by which I think he means “honorary”. They have implied that there should be professional consequences against him. “Innocent until proven guilty” is a good legal principle because it is first a good fairness principle in general. My life is unique and will endure eternally in God’s presence. The value of these emails as evidence even for misrepresentation, let alone dishonesty, is weak. In addition, all applications for study at Wycliffe Hall go through the University of Oxford (except for “ordinands and CTS students”). Ravi did much good work. Also, he speaks in his autobiography about being addressed by someone with a “term of reverence.”[vii] I’m sure you can justify saying it like this, and people will know what he means, but the usual phrase is “term of respect.”. Getting emails from people there long after the fact is not good evidence of his dishonesty or even that he said something false. When he lectures at this institution, as an honorary teaching fellow or not honorary, it is still an academic forum. https://allthingsfulfilled.com I think one should take that into account in determining whether Zacharias said something false and especially when determining if he lied. To find some reason to believe that we could be motivated to lie about it is not hard, because a lot of what we speak about does concern us and is related in some way to our self-interest. So do students say they studied at Ridley Hall or at the University of Cambridge? It's a Wonderful Life. If Zacharias wanted to present himself as having an academic PhD, it is reasonable to think that he would have explicitly claimed that he had an academic PhD in his CV, but he never does so. I knew Ravi and admired him greatly. According to Warren Throckmorton, John Stackhouse claimed: “And to say you are a ‘professor at Oxford’ while referring to Cambridge University (“my studies at Cambridge”) clearly implies that you are on the staff of the university—not on the staff of the apologetics institute you yourself founded in the city of Oxford, or a lecturer at an affiliated theological college, or anything else.”. And to say something like, “I can’t see any explanation of this except dishonesty”, is not an argument. It is worth asking why Christians have taken these claims seriously. So now, with a number of false assumptions and wrong attitudes out of the way, let’s get to work on the actual cases of alleged dishonesty. Click here for more help! Later on, he again says that “my language is northern…”[iv]. Ravi Zacharias, R.S.B Sawyer, Walking from East to West: God in the Shadows, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2006) 30. But that’s where my beloved English authors helped me. When the focus of your ministry is to the intellectuals and the students of higher education, there is zero tolerance for fake credentials. Also, it mars the legacy of a life and ministry that was spent preaching the gospel, a legacy which is larger that Zacharias or his sins. We have already established, and Baughman confirms, that Zacharias did attend courses at the University of Cambridge while a visiting scholar at Ridley Hall, but was not enrolled at the University of Cambridge. Throckmorton quotes John Stackhouse, a Canadian theologian, implying that Zacharias’s ministry should initiate some sort of penalty against him, even though he and RZIM have apologized for reporting his credentials incorrectly or against custom, but they haven’t admitted to deceit or dishonesty. I found that C.S. As we’ve already covered, the way that he uses “professor”, “lecturer” and “teaching fellow” interchangeably in his speaking shows that he is speaking loosely and does not believe these to be official titles. Why I’m Not an Atheist (329) Ravi at Princeton University – Why I’m Not an Atheist – YouTube. I will assume it is correct. And there are some examples of this in Zacharias’s speaking and writing. Years before that are only available in printed editions in British libraries. Randal Rauser can keep his sanctimonious views re. A lot of interpersonal conflict can be explained by people who believe their suspicions about someone immediately, and assign sinister motivations based on any action that disadvantaged them in some way. I read the Baughman blog yesterday – it had a whiff of sulphur about it. [i] Steve Baughman, Cover-Up in the Kingdom: Phone Sex, Lies, and God’s Great Apologist, Ravi Zacharias, (Book Baby, 2018)  P. 9, [ii] Ravi Zacharias, R.S.B Sawyer, Walking from East to West: God in the Shadows, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2006) 30. In a video published today on Ravi Zacharias’ YouTube channel, Zacharias and Vince Vitale answer a question, “Is God Okay with People Being Transgendered?” Vitales’s response was, after giving a drawn-out speech confirming his desire to be noncontroversial and inoffensive, at the very least, highly concerning, I’m sure every minister I’ve heard speak has some black spots, as I do, and as every other person has. Thus, making a dishonest statement is not the same as making a false statement, because people can make false statements without believing them to be false. ( Log Out /  It is the norm, especially when speaking informally and especially when the person making the mistakes is not a native English-speaker. No because he doesn’t teach classes anymore. Indeterminacy problems combined with the fact of human error, along with the fact that dishonesty is more than just a false statement, but a deliberately false statement, means we should be slow to accuse people of dishonesty. It is quite easy to make one, relatively risk-free (it’s unlikely that you will be sued for defamation, especially in the US where the criteria for that tort is very high). It is true that Ridley Hall students take University of Cambridge courses ( as Zacharias did ) and some Ridley Hall students are matriculated through the University of Cambridge, since Ridley Hall is not capable of matriculating students on their own. Is that a vested interest in finding sins in evangelists and Christian apologists? See the below images: Wycliffe’s website includes the following claim: “The Hall became a Permanent Private Hall in 1996 within the University of Oxford in recognition of its established reputation as a centre of high-quality education. His website and his Youtube channel are other sources of information about his case against Zacharias. These people, as far as I’m aware, didn’t make an attempt to end the public accountability that they participated in and to effect some kind of restoration at least as a Christian brother even if not as a leader. Lewis was handy for much more than practical theology; as I read more of his works, my concentration on his command of language began to improve my own fledgling efforts.”[v]. Do they think it shows their integrity? Sure seems like it. 17 Quotes From Ravi Zacharias On God's Plan For Your Life; The Grand Weaver I don’t think what happened there was the work of God. 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