Fortune, by the Hitchhikers; the rest of the music this week was composed byLuis Guerra. Freakonomics is a book about 'freaky' research and insight. Whether this means something brings you financial, emotional, or even community benefit. Listen to this episode from Freakonomics Radio on Spotify. 470. Lets flip it for a moment. But it was serious. Culture can be quite an offensive concept, particularly to people who project it onto an individual characteristic, as if it was about an individual. HOFSTEDE: And blue-collar. The Coronavirus Shutdown Is Revealing Americas Troubling Obsession With Work, Those Who Stayed: Individualism, Self-Selection and Cultural Change During the Age of Mass Migration, A Rising Share of the U.S. Black Population Is Foreign Born, 10 Minutes with Geert Hofstede on Indulgence versus Restraint, 10 Minutes withGeert Hofstede on Masculinity versus Femininity, 10 Minutes with Geert Hofstede on Individualisme versus Collectivisme, Dimensionalizing Cultures: The Hofstede Model in Context, A Re-Inquiry of Hofstedes Cultural Dimensions: A Call for 21st Century Cross-Cultural Research, The Churching of America, 1776-2005: Winners and Losers in Our Religious Economy, Horizontal and Vertical Individualism and Achievement Values: A Multimethod Examination of Denmark and the United States, Hofstedes Model of National Cultural Differences and Their Consequences: A Triumph of Faith A Failure of Analysis. How much time have you spent thinking about what makes America, America? We bring in neuroscience to understand all things cultural. That, again, is Gert Jan Hofstede. So keep your ears open for all that. Heres the dean of the National University of Singapores school of public health: YIK-YING TEO: We have a tradition of having national campaigns to galvanize people to proceed in a common direction. GELFAND: And I thought, If these kinds of cultural differences are happening at the highest levels, we better start understanding this stuff.. The negotiations didnt work out. GELFAND: The U.S. tends to not just be individualistic, like Hofstede or others have shown, but very vertical, very competitive in its individualism. You want to know where you stand which is, for instance, what diplomats know very well. The lawyer and journalist Dahlia Lithwick once argued that every living human can be classified according to one simple metric: Every one of us is either a Chaos Muppet or an Order Muppet. Essentially: loose, or tight. Michele GELFAND: Its a subfield of psychology that tries to understand whats universal, whats similar, and whats culture-specific. But Joe Henrich wanted to see how the Ultimatum experiments worked when it wasnt just a bunch of WEIRD college students. The New York Times bestselling Freakonomics changed the way we see the world, exposing the hidden side of just about everything. Next on the list: what Hofstedes late father, the originator of this culture model, called power distance. Thats the extent to which the less powerful members of organizations or institutions be it society at large or just a family accept and expect that power is distributed unequally.. A. As we heard, the first four dimensions originated with the I.B.M. . Documentary. GELFAND: I was planning to become a cross-cultural trainer to work at the State Department and train people to understand culture. How do racial and ethnic minorities fit into the American looseness? Freakonomics Radiois produced by Stitcher and Renbud Radio. This would never happen in a society of large power distance. The Pros and Cons of America's (Extreme) Individualism (Ep. And so individualism, trust in others, leads to more rapid innovation. you ask. It was freedom from all these debilitating things because the state would be able to provide for you. Remember what he said earlier: HENRICH: So how it is that we acquire ideas, beliefs, and values from other people and how this has shaped human genetic evolution. The individual agents/brokers only take a $150 hit after their costs/fees. I do this for you and you do this for me. Folks who come from a collective standpoint where, I do this for you, but youre doing this for us thats a very, very different way of seeing the world. And we found that people from minority or even women backgrounds were seen as violating something more severely and were subject to higher punishment without even people realizing this. Theres a huge variation in how much spontaneity people like versus how much structure they want. Joe HENRICH: Americans and Westerners more generally are psychologically unusual from a global perspective. That is something that fundamentally many whites dont understand, right? DUBNER: I like those rules. This is really a conversation that pleases me a lot. The incentives of just any regular person are greatly shown because money or personal gain can take over any man or woman no matter how old. Because $1 is more than zero, so the second player would still be better off. There is no evidence for convergence other than if countries become equally rich, they all go to more individualistic. The ancient Romans. Employees were asked to rate how much they agreed with statements like Competition among employees usually does more harm than good. And, Having interesting work is just as important to most people as having high earnings., HOFSTEDE: Simple questions about daily things that people understand. It turns out that Americans were among the least likely to conform. Everything in economics can be viewed from the point of incentives. In the meantime, take care of yourself and, if you can, someone else too. And how does this extraordinarily high level of individualism versus collectivism play out? But relatively speaking, we have more tolerance. Freakonomics Summary. Happiness is going to be lower, but crime, too. GELFAND: If youre in contexts where theres a lot of rules, you develop from a very early age that impulse control. She did want to measure culture, and how it differs from place to place. They make sure that there is no violation of any ritual. Theres some D.N.A. Relatedly: Americans place a high value on being consistent across different situations. Rich. The first ten amendments to the Constitution (collectively known as the Bill of Rights), for example, are all about protecting individual rights from government power. Freakonomics is a groundbreaking collaboration between Levitt and Stephen J. Dubner, an award-winning author and journalist. She grew up in Tasmania. Because if you try something new, you show to the people around you that you are an individual and you can make your own decisions. So how it is that we acquire ideas, beliefs, and values from other people, and how this has shaped human genetic evolution. HOFSTEDE: Look, guys, we can do it. HENRICH: One study of the journals in social psychology shows that 96 percent of all subjects in social psychology come from societies that are Western educated, industrialized, rich, and democratic. Freaknomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything is the book for readers who run screaming at the thought of cracking open a book with the word "economics" in the title. In restrained societies, people tend to suppress bodily gratification, and birth rates are often lower; theres also less interest in things like foreign films and music. GELFAND: The U.S. is one of the most creative places on the planet. Out into the ocean where they were caught by people on jet skis. His ideas, along with others, are credited with . GELFAND: I would say it tends to be California. employees spread across the globe. HOFSTEDE: Which doesnt mean egoism, but it could go that way. I have a professorship in Joburg in South Africa, too. DUBNER: So weve done a pretty good job of beating up on the U.S. thus far. The same experiment was done in other, non-WEIRD countries, like Ghana and Zimbabwe. We promise no spam. And then I meet you all, and then youre not. HENRICH: If they accept the offer, they get the amount of the offer. HOFSTEDE: It means that you only need rules when youre going to use them. The five tightest countries are Pakistan, Malaysia, India, South Korea, and our old friend Singapore. Most white Americans have an entirely different ancestral history. You might think that these relatively minor differences dont add up to much. So I would be very interested in knowing whether theres any data on the ethnic component of homicide and suicide. GELFAND: They were trained to ask for help in city streets and in stores. GELFAND: In cross-cultural psychology, we study how ecological and historical factors cause the evolution of differences. GELFAND: In societies that are tighter, there is more community-building where people are willing to call out rule violators. And I think that is a hallmark of African-American culture in this country. Study with Quizlet and memorize flashcards containing terms like Read the excerpt from Levitt and Dubner's Freakonomics. Whether proud or not, whether happy or not, it has a position. Once he saw that differences were driven by nationality, Hofstede sensed he was on to something big. BROADCASTER: On the third trial, something happens. Theyre not supposed to be the boss. GELFAND: Having more adaptability, more innovation. DUBNER: Name some of the highest and lowest countries on this dimension. But when you use data to measure the specific dimensions of a given culture, and compare them to other countries, you see some stark differences. HENRICH: My favorite explanation for this I think this has been put out most clearly by a sociologist named Rodney Stark is that with freedom of religion, you get competition amongst religious organizations. HENRICH: So, Francisco is a good pal of mine and hes also a very charming fellow. GELFAND: And it was fascinating because when people were wearing their normal face, there was no difference. We developed these linguistic dictionaries to analyze language reflective of tight and loose, in newspapers and books, tight words like restrain, comply, adhere, enforce, as compared to words like allow and leeway, flexibility, empower. Why have rules if you dont use them? Also, he uses some very bold examples (crime rates versus abortion, drug dealership, cheating teachers, etc) to make some very simple . And a lot of those presumptions come from how men function within the context of various religious practices. Am I really going to tell my kid how special they are about everything?. The second one measures what's called "power distance." (Don't worry, we'll explain the name . Michele Gelfand is one of the premier practitioners of cross-cultural psychology. His late father was a social psychologist who devised a system to rank countries on several dimensions including their level of individualism versus collectivism. So, today on Freakonomics Radio: can we really build a model that explains why the American psyche is so unusual? And I think, Holy cow, Ukraine is surrounded by threat, including its next-door neighbor, Russia. That relationship has not been a constant, but that makes me a little suspicious. But for folks who are pushed out of the mainstream you know, Black folks have rarely had the luxury of thinking about just simply being themselves. Neal is making a couple of compelling points here. Michele GELFAND: The people that came to New York early on, they were from all sorts of different cultural backgrounds, and thats helped produce the looseness that exists to this day. But its not only compliance. Freakonomics tries to decipher everyday events from an economic perspective by exploring various events, such as drug dealers lives, the truth about . So its hard to simply transplant another countrys model for education or healthcare, no matter how well it might seem to fit. He came to consider a company "honest" if its payment rate was above 90 percent. 47 min. But if you want to talk about humans, Homo sapiens, then you have a generalization problem. Yes, other phenomena like how things smell to us. The fifth dimension in the Hofstede universe came in the early 1980s, in collaboration with a Canadian social psychologist named Michael Bond, who was working in Hong Kong. You might want to change, but if you get ostracized, its very difficult to persist. One of the defining features of Americanism is our so-called rugged individualism. You might even call it wild individualism. The Pros and Cons of America's (Extreme) Individualism: With Stephen Dubner. Mark Anthony Neal of Duke is not surprised that the U.S. scores relatively high on the masculinity scale. If youre violating the social order, youre going to be punished.. And you speak fast because I dont want to waste a lot of time talking. HENRICH: Im a researcher who tries to apply evolutionary theory to understand human behavior and human psychology and particularly culture. DUBNER: And what would you say is maybe a political ramification of low power distance? And yes, well talk about what makes America, America at least as seen through the eyes of Kumail Nanjiani, who was born in Pakistan. The future could be bright. GELFAND: But when people were wearing those really weird nose rings or those facial warts, they got far more help in loose cultures. I was on the phone with my dad, and I said, You know, its really crazy, all the differences between the U.K. and the U.S.. Not just regular weird. IMDb is the world's most popular and authoritative source for movie, TV and celebrity content. To that end, the digital revolution is further shrinking the distance to power. HOFSTEDE: So collectivistic cultures are those of the Amerindian empires. Its more about how individuals are acted upon by the people and institutions around them. And this is what Europe has. Freakonomics is a registered service mark of Renbud Radio, LLC. And then you see how often the subject wants to go along with the other people, as opposed to give the answer they would give if they were by themselves. So the U.S. produces the sort of Wal-Mart equivalent of religions: big churches giving the people what they want, high pageantry. All that it takes is to get out of their cages of bickering and anxiety. In a society in which 95 percent of adults are highly literate, he writes, people have a thicker corpus callosum than a society in which only 5 percent of people are highly literate. The corpus callosum is the bunch of nerve fibers that unites the two brain hemispheres. After all, they were the data set. Its like, Oh, my gosh, that is so amazing. I was feeling like I have to tell that to my kids as a good parent, training my kids to be vertical and individualistic. Although it is more self-help than traditional economics it shares many of the weaknesses of more serious works in the discipline. It was: And your culture, your American culture, is very different. At this point, we should probably define terms. Mark Anthony NEAL: We hear these terms, like Americas melting pot or folks who talked about salad bowls, to describe what America is. The second player is given a choice between accepting or rejecting. They made sure to include a variety of ages, occupations, religions, social and economic classes. The strongest parts of the original Freakonomics book revolved around Levitt's own peer-reviewed research. On the more feminine end of the spectrum are the Scandinavian countries and some of Western Europe. We look at how these traits affect our daily lives and why we couldn . But there must be, I would think, evolution across time, yes? The study of culture is a family business for Hofstede. And in one condition, I had them wearing these fake facial warts. Long Island, New York, is thebirthplace of the American suburb. We should be nice to one another. But when push comes to shove, most of the time it doesnt go that way. That is one of the main guests in todays episode. Segments: - A Roshanda By Any Other Name : Morgan Spurlock's investigation of the possible implications of names, especially "black" vs. "white" names, in personal . I know that wasnt your intention. The concept of incentives is a way of explaining why human beings do things. . In the latest issue of American Scientist, statisticians Kaiser Fung and Andrew Gelman wrote a strong critique of Levitt and Dubner's work. Download Print. HENRICH: So places like New York and London, people are blazing down the sidewalks. HOFSTEDE: In the U.S.A., there is little constraining. We do this on vacations with my siblings. ERNIE: Oh, gee. China, Japan, and Turkey are also tight. And its by no means easy. Baker was Bushs secretary of state; Aziz was Husseins deputy prime minister. HOFSTEDE: He did social psychological work on what it is to be a manager. The book takes the form of six chapters. HOFSTEDE: There was a Quaker at the head of I.B.M. The first one measures the level of individualism in a given culture, versus collectivism. GELFAND: And there was discussion in the cross-cultural psychology community about how James Bakers unemotionalcommunication style was received as This is not so serious, in terms of Tariq Azizs understanding of Americans intentions. You Arent Alone as Most Cats and Dogs in the U.S. are Overweight, The Loosening of American Culture Over 200 Years is Associated With a CreativityOrder Trade-Off, Speaking a Tone Language Enhances Musical Pitch Perception in 35-Year-Olds, TightnessLooseness Across the 50 United States, The Mller-Lyer Illusion in a Computational Model of Biological Object Recognition, Chaos Theory: A Unified Theory of Muppet Types, Egypt: Crime Soars 200 Per Cent Since Hosni Mubarak Was Ousted, Status and the Evaluation of Workplace Deviance. Were trying to buy time, save time. I mean, youve got your quota, as have we all, but youre not. GELFAND: We have a whole new map of the U.S. where we can actually rank-order the U.S. 50 states in terms of how much threat they have. Let's now consider the following statistic, which represents the hundreds of matches in which a 7-7 wrestler faced an 8-6 wrestler on a tournament's final day: 7-7 WRESTLER'S PREDICTED WIN PERCENTAGE AGAINST 8-6 OPPONENT: 48.77-7 WRESTLER'S ACTUAL WIN PERCENTAGE AGAINST 8-6 OPPONENT: 79.6So the 7-7 wrestler, based on . But can a smart policy be simply transplanted into a country as culturally unusual (and as supremely WEIRD) as America? The country that ranks highest in long-term orientation is Japan; also high on this scale are China and Russia. The best thing you can become is yourself. Okay, you get the gist, right? So $10 in this case. GELFAND: I grew up on Long Island. The other point is a reminder: Its good to be humble about our ability our inability, actually to predict how a given culture will change. We will leave you with a patriotic tribute from one last transplanted U.S. comedian. In case you missed it, thats Western. GELFAND: Places in the South have tended to have more natural disasters. I hate to call out Michele Gelfand, but even in the loosest of cultures, dogs dont have unfettered access to food. Equating individualism with selfishness may be a mistake: Some of the world's wealthiest and most individualistic countries are some of the most altruistic, says 13.7 guest commentator Abigail Marsh. The term individualism itself, and its equivalents in other languages, dateslike socialism and other ismsfrom the 19th century. The Hofstede scale puts the U.S. at 62 out of 100 on masculinity relatively high but substantially less masculine than China, Mexico, and much of Eastern Europe. It is still the case that you did have the summer of love. For example, we asked bank managers some years ago to look through scenarios of people violating organizational rules, like coming to work late, staying on the phone too long, maybe checking their email. If . And I was like, This is every day in America! GELFAND: Were fiercely interdisciplinary. Can that possibly be trueour culture shapes our genetics? In an individualistic society, depending on how the mood is, you can get very different developments. Season 10, Episode 49. Freakonomics Essay. Or if it will change at all. Mobility also produces looseness, because its harder to agree upon any norm. Shes not very disciplined. GELFAND: Were trained from a very early age not just to be independent, but to be better. Wed rather think about solutions temporarily rather than as, this might take some time. It means that we need to attract different types of people to an organization. Theyre more permissive. He started working as an engineer during turbulent years of rebuilding, and soon became a personnel manager. We presume male public voice. Wade meant that these unwanted children were not being bornthus, they could not grow up to be criminals. Whereas in countries that are bogged down in cronyism and corruption, it doesnt happen. John OLIVER: When was that moment that America became the most American America it could possibly be? Caning as in a spanking, basically, on the bare buttocks, with a half-inch-thick rattan cane. And we made sure that the subjects knew that the money was coming from an organization, that the giver did not get any of the money, we ratcheted up our levels of anonymity. And for me, its hard to divorce the toxicity of the grind from the toxicity of masculinity, when you always have to dominate. He has written several books about what music and other pop culture has to say about the broader culture. HOFSTEDE: He decided to take a job there. It means I did it my way.. And it was like, This stuff is really lousy. The correct answer of the given question above would be the second option. This paper focuses on the construction of racial identity online through the mediating influences of popular culture, old media, weblogs, and Internet users. Categories like age, gender, job type, job seniority, and so on. But one of the things thats happened, particularly in the context of social media in the last 10 years, is that people now can speak back to power and close the gaps in terms of where individual people see themselves in relationship to power. A recent paper by a Harvard postdoc named Anne Sofie Beck Knudsen analyzed Scandinavian emigration from 1850 to 1920, when roughly 25 percent of the Scandinavian population left their countries, a great many coming to the U.S. People of an individualistic mindset were more prone to migrate than their collectivistic neighbors, she writes. People tend to be super-creative and theres a lot of negotiation of rules. And we can see a strong trend that looseness has increased over the last 200 years. Controlling for a variety of other factors, they found that looser countries the U.S., Brazil, Italy, and Spain have had roughly five times the number of Covid cases and nearly nine times as many deaths as tighter countries. HOFSTEDE: You could say these six dimensions of culture, they are perimeters to our sociality. Henrichs next example is more behavioral than physiological. And so often, theyll just point at some other country on the map. So he read about factor analysis, which had become a little bit fashionable at the time. We can think about extraordinarily loose contexts like Tesla or Uber that probably need a little more structure. Some of the measurable differences were a bit odd. Its an experiment developed in the early 1980s by, among others, the German economist Werner Gth . BERT: Because: you get crumbs in the sheets, thats why. GELFAND: And that suggests that minorities, women, people of different sexual orientation, when they violate the same rule, might be held to higher accountability, to more strict punishment. HOFSTEDE: And this is before the 60s, before the 70s. And you dont need them for ritual reasons. But thats only the first study. GELFAND: And it caused a real international crisis because the Singapore government gave him what was then classic punishment, which was caning. On many Freakonomics Radio episodes, well hear about some idea or policy that works well elsewhere in the world but hasnt taken root in the U.S. Published: 31 October 2020. Culturally maybe more than anything! I think the models dont account for that because you cant account for that, right? Thats right: we are No. Individualistic countries tend to be richer, but as Hofstede the Elder once put it, The order of logic is not that individualism comes first. 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