terrestrial rather than extraterrestrial. -- in other words, no disproof would follow the failure of his prediction.). Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. contact with some ugly, amphibious* by Philip Coppens. The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. But that doesn't stop Temple. But now, in another recent publication Ancient Mysteries by Peter James and Nick Thorpe this mystery is also uncloaked as a hoax or a lie perpetrated by Griaule. Even in the most optimistic reading of this tale, the Dogon know no more than we knew about the Solar System and nearby stars in the 1930s, which is about the time that Griaule and Deiterlen first interacted with them. I disagree. (Photo by John and Keturah. Meanwhile the Dogon myths continue to baffle investigators. ", Investigating To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? The Dogon Revisited It seems that Temples ideas are still popular among practitioners of pseudoarcheology, as well as with the general public. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." If a European The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. ;p7D) If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. Conversations With And as to good manners, Temple for his part has never answered any of my own personal letters asking for clarification and explanation of controversial points. It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . [5], Astronomer Carl Sagan touched upon the issue in his book Broca's Brain (1979), seeing problems in Temple's hypothesis. The Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Dieterlen the Dogon also name a companion star, po tolo "Digitaria Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. You dont have to watch too many Fantasy Channel (formerly known as the History Channel) specials on ancient astronauts before youll be told about the primitive African Dogon of Mali and their advanced astronomical knowledge bestowed, of course, by extraterrestrials. This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. extraterrestrial visitor tells earthmen about the undiscovered Martian moons. "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. The Dogon and Sirius. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) They point out that the ancient Egyptians and Sumerians used spherical lenses6 (even though they are a bad choice to use in telescopes try seeing an image through a glass bead). Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. "Lecture 1st e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. Classical mythology has been a Rorschach test into which people have projected nearly any notion that appealed to them. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Furthermore, most Dogon symbology already has multiple levels of meaning; the sketches used to illustrate the Sirius secrets are also used in puberty ceremonies. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. They dont have telescopes or other WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. It was very unlikely that the Dogon had learned of this stars existence from Westerners prior to the visit by Griaule and Dieterlen. He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule. Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaules claims. of earth and transmitted in conversation. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel To recapitulate: Griaule claimed to have been initiated into the secret mysteries of the male Dogon, during which they allegedly told him of Sirius (sigu tolo in their language) and its two invisible companions. Paranormal, ed. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. But my own measurements, which ch. myths by confabulation." Could a remote African people have gained esoteric knowledge about the sky without having telescopes? They seem to have The Dogons were not isolated. One group says the Dogon got their information from aliens from the Sirian system called Nommos. Noah Brosch explained in his book Sirius Matters that cultural transfer could have taken place between 19th century French astronomers and Dogon tribe members during the observations of the solar eclipse on 16 April 1893. "At first glance," Sagan admitted, "the Sirius legend of the Dogon seems The legend of the Dogons astronomical precociousness first appeared on the radar in the 1970s. "wished to affirm the complexity of African religions and questioned The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Sirius B was first observed in 1862, and had been predicted in 1844 on dynamic grounds. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. WebAccording to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. But that isn't the only parallel. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. characteristics. ), many debunked issues keep rising from the dead like vampires springing from their tombs. That's one major characteristic of classical pseudo-science, its ability to incorporate any result and its ability to be immune from disproof from any result. Moon is traveling through Cancer today. Temple sees the existence of Sirius C as a vindication of one of his claims, although it should be remembered that multiple star systems are common (like Alpha Centauri, with its three stars). The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. 7 0 obj It would appear that the Dogon had extensive knowledge of the Sirius star system before the outside world had a chance to give it to them. When I set him a draft of a sharply critical review written for Astronomy magazine, he replied with a blistering counterattack in a letter to my editor: "A virulent attack against my honesty, integrity, and intelligence," he called my review. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. astronomical information. (OK, I'll bite--but if such a star is not discovered, Temple has risked no converse conclusions. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. Griaule and Dieterlen first described their findings in an article published in French in 1950, but they included no comment about how extraordinary the Dogon knowledge of the invisible companions was. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). The Dogon. 1995. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The basic thesis is this: the Dogon (who live in the African nation of Mali, near the border with Burkina Faso) allegedly have long possessed arcane astronomical knowledge that should have been impossible for them to discover without modern telescopes. They all have one thing in common: enormous monsters. How is that the Dogan tribe has a culture that combines elements from 3 different ancient traditions "rituals of Judaism, practices of ancient Egypt, and a symbolic cosmology that's closely resembles Buddhism? All rights reserved. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. interesting that the Greek Sirius is Seirios.". Randi, James. Griaule and Dieterlen describe a world renovation ceremony, associated Webplanet earth. The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sirius_Mystery. According to Griaule and G. Stein (Amherst, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1996), pp. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. It was popularized in an episode from the In Search of television series narrated by Leonard Nimoy. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaules original informants; he noted that though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. Nothing fuels religious extremism more than the belief that one has found the absolute moral truth. One additional disturbing note: That distance has been computed based on a true geodetic oblate spheroid, but even assuming a flat surface would only have introduced an error of a few tenths of one percent at most (Temple obviously didn't know that, or he wouldn't have asserted that measurements even less accurate than that were proof that ancients took Earth's sphericity into account.). WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. Review. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) Schroder, D.J., et al. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. [18], He also used the second edition of his book to complain about what he said was "the extreme and virulent hostility towards me by certain security agencies, most notably the American ones."[19]. the Sirius "Mystery" by Ian Ridpath, Skeptical Inquirer, Fall for some unknown reason from a planet orbiting complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. WebNew evidence deals a devastating blow to what was considered to be the best case for extraterrestrial visitation. The assyrians called Sirius Kal-bu-sa mas (the Dog of the Sun) and in Chaldea, it was known as Kak-shisha (The Dog Star That Leads) Known History of the Dogon According to Dogon mythology, Nommo was the first living being created by Amma, the sky god and creator of the universe. Ridpath concludes that any information that resembles the facts about Sirius was probably ascertained by way of cultural contamination. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. Here, then, is another datum to be investigated when it is possible." For example, he claims that the Dogon have a drawing like the one in Figure 1. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. The review was indeed consequently modified in parts where Temple explained portions of his book I may have misinterpreted. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." It has a mass of 2.35 times the mass of the Sun. The Dogon. But the extraterrestrial hypothesis will not fade away so easily. One unproven aspect of the reported Dogon knowledge of the Sirius system is the assertion that the Dogon knew of another star in the Sirius system, Emme Ya, or "larger than Sirius B but lighter and dim in magnitude." Temple's book and the debates that followed its release publicized the existence of the Dogon tribe among many New Age followers and proponents of ancient astronaut theories. interpreter. 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" + t); Want to know your future? Oberg also says that the Dogon were not an isolated tribe and that a member might have acquired knowledge about Sirius B while abroad and later passed it on to the tribe. And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. Obviously, no Earth-based species was flying to other stars back then! The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Used under aCreative Commons license. To Temple, this proved that "geodetic surveys of immense accuracy were thus practiced in ancient Egypt with a knowledge of the "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved %PDF-1.4 A dynamical study published in 1995, based on anomalous perturbations of Sirius B (suggestive of the star being gravitationally influenced by another body) concluded that the presence of a third star orbiting Sirius could not be ruled out. Dogon to explain their beliefs. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. companion" (Bullard). Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. In reply Temple produces evidence for the great antiquity of the Sirius cult. from black Egyptians who had telescopes. A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific But here's the rub: there is no archaeological evidence that the specific references to the twin hidden companions of Sirius are anywhere near that old. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 The aliens came here The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the The "mystery" that is central to the book is how the Dogon allegedly acquired knowledge of Sirius B, the white dwarf companion star of Sirius A, invisible to the naked eye. the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Concludes Sagan, "There are too many loopholes, too many alternate explanations for such a myth to provide reliable evidence of past extraterrestrial contact. Clearly the Dogons (in common with many other cultures) were fascinated by Sirius, probably because its position in the sky was crucial to successful agriculture (it's the only star they have a name for.) A revised edition was published in 1998 with the new subtitle New scientific The Skeptics Society is a non-profit, Sagan, Carl 1980. So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? Swift appears to have taken the idea of two close (although not necessarily small) moons of Mars from Voltaire's novel Micromegos in which an seem curious. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational Laird Scranton makes it clear that he ruled out this possibility in this interview. Ask about whatever you want with our Free Rune Readings! Sagan, Carl. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. The Dogon are believed to be of Egyptian decent and their astronomical lore goes back thousands of years to 3200 BC. Some pseudosciences such as homeopathy and free energy never die. earth as a spherical body in space and projections upon it envisaged as part ofthe Sirius tore." Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. E. "Ancient Astronauts," in The Encyclopedia of the But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. Cuddle up with someone. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Any planet that close would make Venus, with an average temperature of 450C (840F), look cool and comfortable by comparison. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. by Bernard R. Ortiz de Montellano. None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. of course, no evidence for this special eyesight, nor for other equally Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Temple lists a number of astronomical beliefs held by the Dogon that Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. He has written of Temples belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. Young was a fervent believer in the Council of Nine, a mysterious group of channelled entities that claim to be the nine creator gods of ancient Egypt. Temple offered another line of reasoning. The position of the Readers of Skeptic are not so sanguine. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. According to Sagan, western Africa has had many visitors from Read Skeptic on Apple or Android devices, or on PC or Mac via PocketMags.com. The Dogon and Sirius. Dogon descriptions of Jupiter, Saturn and Sirius remind one of Jonathan Swift's uncanny description of the two undiscovered moons of Mars. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. To quote Ancient Mysteries: While Temple, following Griaule, assumes that to polo is the invisible star Sirius B, the Dogon themselves, as reported by Griaule, say something quite different. To quote the Dogon: When Digitaria (to polo) is close to Sirius, the latter becomes brighter; when it is at its most distant from Sirius, Digitaria gives off a twinkling effect, suggesting several stars to the observer. This description of a very visible effect causes James and Thorpe to wonder as anyone reading this should do whether to polo is therefore an ordinary star near Sirius, not an invisible companion, as Griaule and Temple suggest. Ancient they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". 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